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		<title>By: Alexander Schek</title>
		<link>http://www.ted.me/please-dont-bail-out-the-automakers/#comment-432</link>
		<dc:creator>Alexander Schek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 02:44:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ted, you got the point.. absolutelly right... There should be no free ride.. good read.. thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ted, you got the point.. absolutelly right&#8230; There should be no free ride.. good read.. thanks</p>
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		<title>By: Charity</title>
		<link>http://www.ted.me/please-dont-bail-out-the-automakers/#comment-90</link>
		<dc:creator>Charity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 06:57:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem I have here is this: the reason the automakers are failing is because the people do not have the money to actually purchase the vehicles. The banks are going under, being taken over, etc all the time, and are ending up not lending the money. It&#039;s a vicious circle and it&#039;s probably why they are asking for the government to bail them out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem I have here is this: the reason the automakers are failing is because the people do not have the money to actually purchase the vehicles. The banks are going under, being taken over, etc all the time, and are ending up not lending the money. It&#8217;s a vicious circle and it&#8217;s probably why they are asking for the government to bail them out.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted Murphy</title>
		<link>http://www.ted.me/please-dont-bail-out-the-automakers/#comment-85</link>
		<dc:creator>Ted Murphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 23:30:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a class=&quot;replyTo&quot; href=&quot;#comment-70&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Chris Lockwood:&lt;/a&gt;
Unions have no place in a global economy, they make it nearly impossible for U.S. companies to compete with their international counterparts. 

I agree that Foreign manufacturers locate outside of Detroit for that very reason.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a class="replyTo" href="#comment-70" rel="nofollow">@Chris Lockwood:</a><br />
Unions have no place in a global economy, they make it nearly impossible for U.S. companies to compete with their international counterparts. </p>
<p>I agree that Foreign manufacturers locate outside of Detroit for that very reason.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted Murphy</title>
		<link>http://www.ted.me/please-dont-bail-out-the-automakers/#comment-84</link>
		<dc:creator>Ted Murphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 23:23:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a class=&quot;replyTo&quot; href=&quot;#comment-68&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Jeremy Hilton:&lt;/a&gt;
&quot;It is my understanding that if GM folded, it would cost the US approx. 2 million jobs. That’s alot of people out of work and ALOT of tax dollars spent on unemployment.&quot;

I have heard that number as well and believe it to be greatly exaggerated. Let&#039;s remember that automakers are lobbying the government for money here. I wouldn&#039;t take anything at face value, but lets assume we do.

2 million jobs is a lot of jobs, but those jobs are at risk with or without a government bailout. A bailout doesn&#039;t fix the root of the problem, it simply prolongs the life of these companies for a short period of time. GM and Ford collectively burned $14.6 billion in cash in the past quarter. The automakers are asking for a $50 billion bailout, that only buys them an extra 13 months. What then? Another bailout? Just like the AIG 2nd bailout? If these companies are to survive they need to face the facts and undergo radical change. It&#039;s time to file Chapter 11 and get their cost structures under control.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a class="replyTo" href="#comment-68" rel="nofollow">@Jeremy Hilton:</a><br />
&#8220;It is my understanding that if GM folded, it would cost the US approx. 2 million jobs. That’s alot of people out of work and ALOT of tax dollars spent on unemployment.&#8221;</p>
<p>I have heard that number as well and believe it to be greatly exaggerated. Let&#8217;s remember that automakers are lobbying the government for money here. I wouldn&#8217;t take anything at face value, but lets assume we do.</p>
<p>2 million jobs is a lot of jobs, but those jobs are at risk with or without a government bailout. A bailout doesn&#8217;t fix the root of the problem, it simply prolongs the life of these companies for a short period of time. GM and Ford collectively burned $14.6 billion in cash in the past quarter. The automakers are asking for a $50 billion bailout, that only buys them an extra 13 months. What then? Another bailout? Just like the AIG 2nd bailout? If these companies are to survive they need to face the facts and undergo radical change. It&#8217;s time to file Chapter 11 and get their cost structures under control.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Lockwood</title>
		<link>http://www.ted.me/please-dont-bail-out-the-automakers/#comment-70</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Lockwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 17:09:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ted, I understand your logic, and that&#039;s the view I would normally have.

However, if you look back to World War 2, one of the reasons the US won was our manufacturing base. It was companies like GM and Ford that built all those tanks and planes and other heavy equipment that were critical to winning the war.

If the US car companies go under, who is going to play that role when there is a major war? This is a national security issue.

The car companies are not totally to blame. They have been screwed by unions and have a huge competitive disadvantage with all the benefits they&#039;ve promised to pay. Excessive govt regulation has not helped either, or the unfair trade agreements where cars coming into the US have low tariffs, but into other counties have high tariffs.

Notice the foreign car makers with US factories do NOT build them in the UAW states like Michigan, but in right-to-work states where they don&#039;t have to put up with that union nonsense.

And before you think I&#039;m anti-worker, my dad worked in a car factory for 30 years. But he&#039;s dead now, so I don&#039;t have a direct stake in the fate of those companies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ted, I understand your logic, and that&#8217;s the view I would normally have.</p>
<p>However, if you look back to World War 2, one of the reasons the US won was our manufacturing base. It was companies like GM and Ford that built all those tanks and planes and other heavy equipment that were critical to winning the war.</p>
<p>If the US car companies go under, who is going to play that role when there is a major war? This is a national security issue.</p>
<p>The car companies are not totally to blame. They have been screwed by unions and have a huge competitive disadvantage with all the benefits they&#8217;ve promised to pay. Excessive govt regulation has not helped either, or the unfair trade agreements where cars coming into the US have low tariffs, but into other counties have high tariffs.</p>
<p>Notice the foreign car makers with US factories do NOT build them in the UAW states like Michigan, but in right-to-work states where they don&#8217;t have to put up with that union nonsense.</p>
<p>And before you think I&#8217;m anti-worker, my dad worked in a car factory for 30 years. But he&#8217;s dead now, so I don&#8217;t have a direct stake in the fate of those companies.</p>
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		<title>By: Marisa</title>
		<link>http://www.ted.me/please-dont-bail-out-the-automakers/#comment-69</link>
		<dc:creator>Marisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 16:37:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-67&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Nate:&lt;/a&gt;
Yes, Nate. I realize that. I&#039;d tell you exactly which Left-leaners made those types of statements but every time I heard/read that garbage, I changed the channel or clicked away from the site. 

As for government sensibility, that&#039;s only if he moves toward the center. Spreading the wealth is anything but sensible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-67" rel="nofollow">@Nate:</a><br />
Yes, Nate. I realize that. I&#8217;d tell you exactly which Left-leaners made those types of statements but every time I heard/read that garbage, I changed the channel or clicked away from the site. </p>
<p>As for government sensibility, that&#8217;s only if he moves toward the center. Spreading the wealth is anything but sensible.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy Hilton</title>
		<link>http://www.ted.me/please-dont-bail-out-the-automakers/#comment-68</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy Hilton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 16:02:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you Ted, propping up failing companies is less than ideal.

However, before I rush to choose a side, I&#039;d like to understand the true impact to America if the big three fail.

It is my understanding that if GM folded, it would cost the US approx. 2 million jobs. That&#039;s alot of people out of work and ALOT of tax dollars spent on unemployment.

Lets hope our leaders make decisions based on the health of America and not choose a course simply because it&#039;s the capitalist thing to do.

As a side note - Just a week after taxpayers bailed out AIG, the company spent $440,000 on an executive retreat. What are you thoughts on this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you Ted, propping up failing companies is less than ideal.</p>
<p>However, before I rush to choose a side, I&#8217;d like to understand the true impact to America if the big three fail.</p>
<p>It is my understanding that if GM folded, it would cost the US approx. 2 million jobs. That&#8217;s alot of people out of work and ALOT of tax dollars spent on unemployment.</p>
<p>Lets hope our leaders make decisions based on the health of America and not choose a course simply because it&#8217;s the capitalist thing to do.</p>
<p>As a side note &#8211; Just a week after taxpayers bailed out AIG, the company spent $440,000 on an executive retreat. What are you thoughts on this?</p>
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		<title>By: Nate</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 15:18:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanks for the comment, and I agree.

AIG, somewhat necessary. An extra few billion to top at 150bn? Not really. But automakers for sure.

@Marisa - i&#039;m not really sure where you heard that the markets were going to soar - but Dems are never good news for the markets.  The only help he&#039;ll provide is boosting consumer confidence and bringing some sort of sensibility to the government. I hope.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks for the comment, and I agree.</p>
<p>AIG, somewhat necessary. An extra few billion to top at 150bn? Not really. But automakers for sure.</p>
<p>@Marisa &#8211; i&#8217;m not really sure where you heard that the markets were going to soar &#8211; but Dems are never good news for the markets.  The only help he&#8217;ll provide is boosting consumer confidence and bringing some sort of sensibility to the government. I hope.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
		<link>http://www.ted.me/please-dont-bail-out-the-automakers/#comment-66</link>
		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 14:52:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you and so does another Ted, Ted Turner:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAQRdV0AyDU</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you and so does another Ted, Ted Turner:<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAQRdV0AyDU" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAQRdV0AyDU</a></p>
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		<title>By: Marisa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 14:38:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought the markets were going to soar if we elected Obama. At least that&#039;s what MSM&#039;s pundits and talking heads were saying. 

As for the bailout, I&#039;m a little bitter. A previous administration promised to stop illegal steel dumping so that our domestic steel companies could compete fairly. We didn&#039;t want a bailout, just a level playing field. We didn&#039;t get it and I watched entirely too many friends, family and neighbors lose everything in the 90s while the rest of the country prospered. 

I have no sympathy for the auto makers and no confidence in government to fix anything. My broken record response: Get government out of the way so we can all pursue our own dreams.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought the markets were going to soar if we elected Obama. At least that&#8217;s what MSM&#8217;s pundits and talking heads were saying. </p>
<p>As for the bailout, I&#8217;m a little bitter. A previous administration promised to stop illegal steel dumping so that our domestic steel companies could compete fairly. We didn&#8217;t want a bailout, just a level playing field. We didn&#8217;t get it and I watched entirely too many friends, family and neighbors lose everything in the 90s while the rest of the country prospered. </p>
<p>I have no sympathy for the auto makers and no confidence in government to fix anything. My broken record response: Get government out of the way so we can all pursue our own dreams.</p>
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